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Love is the Water Under the Water

Posted in Design & Photography, Travelogue with tags , , , , , , , on April 17, 2010 by bawehali

The fact that political ideologies are tangible realities is not a proof of their vitally necessary character. The bubonic plague was an extraordinarily powerful social reality, but no one would have regarded it as vitally necessary.

Wilhelm Reich

Here is a girl, standing at the end of an alleyway in Chengdu, in the Sichuan province in southwestern China, in the early days of the Gregorian year 2010. The longer I look at these photos the more love I feel for her.

What will she become, and what will life in the place and time she was born into allow her?

When we first made eye contact, she made a grim face, turned abruptly, and marched with purpose the other way. Then she stopped, executed a surprisingly martial turn, and stood surveying me for a pregnant moment. I waved, and she seemed not to respond at all; just stood there stone-faced, or so I thought at the time. After a moment of standing there like an absurd soldier, she vanished into the doorway of what I assume was her home.

In this moment, so many things went through my mind: My god the Chinese are rigid; even this little girl in pink and turquoise walks like an expressionless soldier! What a dirty alleyway; aren’t they loathe to hang their clothes outside in this grime after they just washed them? What is she thinking about me?

When I got the chance to look at these pictures in more detail, I saw that there was a glimmer of a smile on her face, mostly around her eyes. I have very poor vision, and my camera, with its optical zoom, sees far better than I do.

Yes, the Chinese are, for the most part, quite rigid. But you would be too if you lived in an authoritarian state (it’s not communism, it’s a dictatorial form of coordinatorism) where creativity and dissent are often punished, and you knew almost from the start that you were going to have to compete against billions of other people if you hope for any control over the terms of your life. Authoritarianism and a crushing of people’s ability to dream and define the terms of their own lives is mutilation and psychic murder. The Chinese people make the best of the lives their government allows them, and this little girl is a great example of why it’s important to oppose governments and corporations, not peoples. The Chinese people are not to be feared or damned for the vehicle they’ve been shoved into. Their spirit in trying to advance and overcome is to be respected and admired.

This little girl’s alleyway holds several things of interest and relevance. To touch on the simplest one first, the grime is a byproduct of industry and sheer population density, and industry is, in our globally metasticized consumer culture, how people raise their standards of living. And maybe the U.S. didn’t invent it, but we sure did refine it, give it some steroids, and begin exporting it to the world on a massive scale. There are great and obvious distinctions to be made between the U.S. And China of course, but perhaps the largest and most important, as cartoonist, author and occasional New York Times essayist Timothy Kreider observed recently, is that in China, the government owns its corporations, while American corporations own our government.

Second among the things that interest me in this alley is the red and gold tracksuit, probably an older brother or cousin’s national team uniform. It takes passion and determination and focus to excel in the athletic arena. That’s why governments and businesses spend so much money and time on their sports teams. It creates a strong emotional bond between the athletes and those who admire them. It’s an entirely natural thing, the same way one might admire a swift or elegant bird. Then those natural human feelings are appropriated and welded to artificial jingoism. This little girl’s likely older brother or cousin (the one-child policy, while powerful, is not as rigid as is commonly reported) probably takes order and discipline very seriously, and if he’s on a national team, it means he’s achieved some level of recognition for his efforts in a highly competitive society. Even before politics and ideology, this little girl is surely absorbing these things like a sponge: How does one make sense of the world, how does one find one’s way through it? You learn from what’s closest to you. You don’t have to understand ideology to be shaped by it.

As a counterpoint, consider the blue jeans. What do blue jeans mean to the Chinese? Although it’s a glib generalization to talk about “the Chinese,” in much the same way talking about “Americans” is somewhat foolish, asking what blue jeans means is not a silly question to ask in an age of mass-produced culture and mediated conceptions of identity. We live, after all, in an age when people see nothing weird or immediately sad about expressing aspects of themselves through the choice of which mass-produced item they selected for purchase.

And “America,” among many other things, is a brand, embedded with all manner of code that is exported aggressively to the world. “Freedom,” “happiness” and “opportunity” are its dominant brand values. Consider how identified with “America” blue jeans are, and then further consider that the Chinese word for America is meiguo or “beautiful country.” (To be fair, the Chinese mostly see it as just a word, not as a word with literal meaning, much like people in the U.S. rarely think of Chicago, Manhattan or Seattle as Indian words with actual, you know, meaning.)

That said, I have been called meiguoren (美国的, literally, “beautiful country person”), probably several dozen times in my short time here, and it always makes me feel a stab of pain that’s related to the pain I feel when I look around at the ubiquitous Western beauty ideals on display here. Really?, I think, a 5000-year old culture of several billion people with a staggering amount of cultural achievements and it’s own beautiful people and land can’t think of anything better to aspire to now than material wealth and the trappings of hyper consumer culture? They want to be like…. us?


Even a cursory study of China makes it obvious how much yearning and rage course through the people, much like an underground waterway. One of my all-time favorite songs, “Once in a Lifetime,” by the Talking Heads, has a line about there being “water under the water, carrying the water,” and I think it describes the humanity and dogged spirit of the people laboring under the yoke of Chinese government and ascending commerce quite well. They yearn, they long, and, when it boils over, they can exhibit shocking rage. The surface is not the reality.

At the beginning of this, I quoted Wilhelm Reich, Sigmund Freud’s cohort and fellow psychoanalytic theorist, who was the victim of the only U.S. government-ordered book burning in history, and who died in prison, a mad man, after being imprisoned for what he dared to think and write. (Sound familiar?) Freud thought people were violent sadistic animals, who had to be controlled and taught to “civilize” themselves for the good of society and stability. You can fairly say that Freud’s ideas were status quo – he never asked whether conforming to a sick society was natural or not; it was just assumed that being “well-regulated” and conforming was desirable and healthy. This makes me think of the deeply moving and staggeringly far-reaching speech Martin Luther King gave (presented in 1963, at WMU, and well-worth reading if you aren’t already familiar with it), where he attacks the concept of being “maladjusted” in a society to which he did not want to “adjust”:

Reich thought people were loving and good, and that it was the mutilations of society and government, the imposition of unnatural order, that caused neuroses and dysfunction. It was the systematic and unnatural control of people, in other words, that caused them to be violent, and to behave irrationally. Think of a house cat going slowly loopy, eating houseplants that make it sick and playing manically with a toy mouse when all it really wants to do is be outside, eating real mice, rutting at the appointed time, and following its nature. Reich thought eros was the highest expression of human health and actualization, and that it should be given free reign and support if we were to link hands with our higher selves. There are a great many things to take from Reich’s theory and story, but the one I think of most often, and which springs most readily to mind looking at this little Chinese girl caught between repulsion and friendliness is this: Love is both dangerous and beautiful, and sometimes you have to zoom in and pay attention before you can see it looking back at you.

The Architect as Totalitarian

Posted in Relay with tags , , , on April 1, 2010 by bawehali

Le Corbusier was the most important architect of the 20th century, and
his concrete brutalism has wrecked many a city and town across the globe.

Warning: Your Reality is Out of Date

Posted in Relay with tags , on March 25, 2010 by bawehali

New facts – especially complex ones that replace existing beliefs, may take a while to soak in…Introducing the “mesofact.”

Long Live the Outlaws 1: Elmyr de Hory

Posted in Hyper-Essay with tags , , , on December 26, 2008 by bawehali

Most petty crime is dull, in both motivation and execution. But I have always wished I could be a great outlaw. Consider the outlaw, and the merits of his or her avocation: the perpetration of grand, spectacular, and/or marvelous crime. A widespread and enduring fascination with outlaws, hucksters, escapists, charlatans, and rogues of various ilk has always harkened to embrace the heroic combination of focus, ingenuity, bravery, determination, and intelligence needed to rise to a level of criminal infamy.

“I love the trite mythos of the outlaw,” wrote Tom Robbins, in his comic novel, Still Life with Woodpecker. “I love the self-conscious romanticism of the outlaw. I love the black wardrobe of the outlaw…The outlaw boat sails against the flow, and I love it. Outlaws toilet where badgers toilet, and I love it. All outlaws are photogenic, and I love that…There are outlaw maps that lead to outlaw treasures, and I love those maps especially. Unwilling to wait for mankind to improve, the outlaw lives as if that day were here, and I love that most of all.

Great outlaws should be better known! Consider these three: Elmyr de Hory, Alves Reis, and Scott Scurlock. It should be noted that all three are dead, and that two of them died in poverty. Two also committed suicide, though one, an art forger, is rumored to have faked his death in order to escape actual death. Peaceful old age is a jewel rarely found cleaving to the heels of outlaws and, as with many famous painters, outlaws usually die penniless after a series of unfortunate events.

Elmyr de Hory, by far the greatest art forger the world has ever seen, successfully painted and sold as originals his counterfeit renditions of paintings by Picasso, Renoir, Monet, Toulouse-Lautrec, Matisse and Modigliani, among many others. Born to a rich Hungarian family in 1906, Elmyr went to art school in Budapest before moving to Paris, where he seems to have squandered some of his artistic acclaim and momentum for amusement and sexual experimentation.

This is one key aspect of the great outlaw: a certain shiftlessness, not exactly idleness or laziness, but awaiting the right stimulation or opportunity. It also helps a great outlaw’s stature to spend some time in a prison of particularly “nightmarish” reputation, as Elmyr did after being arrested for ties to his lover, a British journalist and alleged spy. The prison was Transylvanian and, of course, nothing but bats, castles, foreboding mountains, creepy royalty, bloodsucking, and other gothic nightmares come from there.

Elmyr survived his imprisonment in part by painting portraits of some guards and thereby currying favor. Yet soon after his release, de Hory was re-imprisoned in a German concentration camp, where he was badly beaten and had one of his legs broken. Elmyr claims to have escaped from the camp infirmary on a still-broken leg, though he is also a well-established fabulist, as was his official biographer, Clifford Irving (famous for his fake autobiography of Howard Hughes).

After escaping, he eventually returned to Paris and set about creating a new life. He most likely couldn’t have known that he was about to earn a reputation as one of the most talented criminals in history.

In 1974, Orson Welles released “F for Fake,” his final major film, which cast de Hory in the main role, playing himself. The film goes into detail about much of de Hory’s life, while also unspooling a fascinating prismatic essay on authenticity, identity and the basis of value for art.

And, thanks to this glorious age of free internet video, you can check out Welles’ sometimes hard-to-find gem right here.

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I’d originally planned for this post to include excursions into the lives of de Hory, Reis and Scurlock, but realize now that blog posts are made for more brevity. One’s enough for today.

Madness and Mass Society

Posted in Interview with tags , , , , , , , , , on May 10, 2005 by bawehali

Pharmaceuticals, Psychiatry, and the Rebellion of True Community

Brian Awehali interviews Dr. Bruce Levine

Author and clinical psychologist Bruce E. Levine, PhD, wants to tell you that depression, discontent, and a whole raft of diagnosed mental illnesses are nothing more than natural responses to the oppression of “institutional society.” In his book, Commonsense Rebellion: Taking Back Your Life from Drugs, Shrinks, Corporations, and a World Gone Crazy, Levine contends that the vast majority of mental disorders are, to put it simply, profit-driven fabrications with no established biochemical or genetic causes. In this day and age, a psychologist arguing forcefully against the entire concept of medication seems odd. Hearing him argue that anger, depression, and dissent are not only normal, but deeply healthy, borders on the bizarre. We interviewed Levine for our web site back in 2001, but now more than ever we thought we could use a strong dose of his crazy talk.

LiP: Bruce, you’re a critic of both psychiatry—the medical science of identifying and treating mental illness with drugs—and psychology—the study of human behavior, thought, and development. Are there substantial differences between the two?

Bruce Levine: When I first started out as a psychologist in the late 70s and early 80s, it was fairly commonplace to dissent from psychiatry—that’s why people became psychologists. They saw the pseudo-science of not only the treatments but of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) itself. Unfortunately, over the years, psychology itself has slowly aped psychiatry, and there isn’t that sharp a distinction between the two anymore. The American Psychological Association (APA)—the professional group for psychologists—now fights for prescription rights for psychologists. So I guess any psychologist who maintains a position that depression isn’t primarily an innate biochemical disease, and that the DSM is a nonscientific instrument of diagnosis, is a dissident!

I should say that back in the 1970s and 1980s, before psychiatrists had the backing of the drug companies, they had very little power. In fact, they were falling apart, as evidenced by so many movies that were making fun of them, like One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest—which could never come out today. But back in those days, when [psychiatrists] weren’t in bed with the drug companies and didn’t have much political power, you saw movies like that come out. Now, psychiatrists have the media power; they’re able to describe the playing field of the controversy.

Let me ask you a blunt question, first: Do you think there’s ever any basis for diagnosing someone as mentally ill?

Well, certainly there are things that can happen in your brain to make you feel crazy. If you go on an acid trip and fill your brain with a bunch of foreign chemicals, and you act crazy—there’s something going on there. But when we’re talking about things like, for example, attention deficit disorder [ADD], or depression, most of these behaviors are problematic to society. And they’re too easily being classified in the same category as cancer and diabetes. It becomes a complicated semantic discussion of what an illness is.

Let’s just take one of the more obviously comical diagnoses, something fairly recent, like oppositional defiance disorder [ODD] —that one really makes a whole lot of things really clear.

[Interviewer convulses with knowing laughter.]

I mean, oppositional defiance disorder is a “disease” in the DSM, and it’s not something that’s arcane; it’s something that’s being used frequently. It’s a diagnosis given to kids whose symptoms are often arguing with adults, refusing to comply with adults, and basically being a pain in the ass with adults. And once you declare it a disease, of course, you move into chemical treatments or behavioral manipulations. I think for the majority of folks out there, not just anti-authoritarian types, they have the same reaction you did: You’ve got to be kidding. Don’t [they] realize that kids rebel against authority? So there you have an obvious example.

And then you move over to something like attention deficit hyperactivity disorder [ADHD] or ADD, for which there are no biochemical markers, of any kind. None. If you have any doubts about that, just go to your doctor and say you think your kid has ADD, and ask her about the biochemical markers—she’ll say that there are none. It’s all behavioral symptoms that are used to diagnose it.

In the 1970s and early 1980s, a lot of people were looking for other explanations for why people were having problems, or creating problems for others. And in that era, prior to the drug company takeover, there were a lot more intelligent ideas. ADD/ADHD didn’t exist in the first DSM that came out in 1952, but I’m sure if it had been around, folks like Eric Fromm would have been talking about it as a form of passive rebellion. Oppositional defiance disorder is an obvious active rebellion, but most kids don’t have the courage, or they’re in situations where for them to actively rebel means they’ll get crushed—so they rebel passively. They go to a classroom and they stop paying attention; they just blow things off. Is it because they have no capacity to pay attention? No. And the research even shows that when you put these same kids in a situation where they’re either interested in the material or they’ve chosen the material, or it’s novel to them, all of a sudden these so-called ADHD kids can pay attentionn!

And that’s what I try to explain to folks: If you have diabetes or cancer, and all of a sudden you’re having a good time, the disease doesn’t go away. How can something be a disease when you put somebody in a different situation, and the “disease” goes away? That should tell you something.

But it’s in the interest, obviously, of drug companies—and psychiatry, because all they do is prescribe drugs pretty much nowadays—to view everything as a disease that needs drugs. It’s also in the interest of a society that doesn’t want to spend much money or resources on populations that aren’t fitting into the standardized order of things. One interesting aspect of this is that, more and more, it’s not just kids of color, but even suburban white Anglo-Saxon Protestant kids who can’t fit into the standardized order.

I was going to ask you if you think the net for mental illness has gotten wider.

Absolutely. There’s a certain karma in this for the dominant culture. For years they’ve tried to make all kinds of people in non-dominant cultures fit into a rigged, standardized system, and all kinds of rebellion went on. Rebellion through truancy, or substance abuse—and they pathologized this, criminalized that. But once that net was cast, it eventually starting catching lots of their kids. They narrowed and narrowed the standards, and made it more and more impossible for certain kinds of kids to fit into society.

It’s interesting. It’s like, you built the machine, and then the machine has to feed itself. It seems like it’s sort of a runaway institutional process—

Yeah, that’s a good metaphor. A lot of folks like Lewis Mumford and Kirkpatrick Sale have talked a lot about our machine-worshipping culture, and once you understand that our society does worship the machine and technology more than it does life and diversity, then you understand that the goal of that society is to become more machine-like, more standardized. Which means you’re trying to create a society in which everyone fits into the same box. And once you do that, you’re going to find more people not fitting in, and then you have—and this is a real problem of psychiatry, as far as I’m concerned—then you have these psychiatrists who come along and, instead of saying there’s a problem with this kind of machine-worshipping society, they say that there’s a problem with all these people not fitting in. They’ve got this disease, or this disorder.

In your book, Commonsense Rebellion, you have a whole chapter devoted to mass society and mass living. I wonder if you could talk a little about that.

Well, it’s important for folks to have a historical perspective on the way human beings have lived for the vast majority of our history, and to think of how differently we’ve been living since the Industrial Revolution. For 99% of human history, people were living in non-mass societies—we were living in small groups. We were living in situations where, for the most part, we knew everybody around us. We had bands within tribes, less than 500 or 1,000 folks, and people had a greater sense of autonomy, because what they said and what they cared about actually had some political impact.

Whereas, today—here in the US, for example—what the hell does your average person do? Every four years they get to vote between two people they have no respect for? At some level, you may want to wave the flag and convince yourself you’re living in a democracy because you get to vote, but on a more core psychological level, you’re one of 300 million who are voting for [one of] two people who are decided for you by corporate society! So on some level, you know you have no impact; you know you have no power. It’s just common sense that in a more humanly scaled society [Kirkpatrick Sale’s term, from his book On a Human Scale] you‘re going to have a sense of greater potency, of greater power. And a sense of empowerment is a huge antidote to almost any emotional problem. That’s common sense!

Another huge antidote to emotional difficulty is community. People who have a genuine community have fewer emotional difficulties. And “genuine community” is an important term. Oakland, for example, is not a community—it’s a location. Real community means face-to-face emotional and economic interdependence. In a real community, people decide for themselves what their problems are, and they themselves implement solutions, as opposed to handing them over to distant authorities.

A mass society like ours is good for producing more material goods. A standardized, commercialized, industrialized society certainly has more teevees, more washing machines—and this is very attractive to a lot of people. And there are certain advantages to standardized society in terms of, you know, physical health. But mass society destroys things like autonomy and community.

In realistic terms, what do you think people might do to try and build real community?

Well, a lot of people are isolated, and they have all kinds of emotional difficulties, whether it’s depression or substance abuse. They obsess on their disconnectedness, or they don’t even get that far, they’re just getting drunk all the time. In the face of this mass society, people feel powerless. What’s the point of trying to get this guy you think is innocent out of jail; what’s the point of doing anything? You’re dealing with such a power that it feels impossible to accomplish anything. And under that rationale, [people] just say, the heck with it—I’m just going to get drunk and have a good time. One of the things I try to tell folks is that even if you don’t succeed, when you have a cause you believe in, and you act on it, and you try to connect with other folks, at least that cause itself becomes a fuel for people to meet one another and have friendships. That happened in the 1960s and 70s to some extent, and it certainly happened in the 1880s and 1890s when you saw these idealistic people who maybe didn’t ultimately accomplish a lot, but at least they kept themselves out of having emotional difficulties by acting on their cause and meeting some people.

When you have a cause, you get obsessed with what you’re trying to accomplish—and even if you don’t succeed, you’re mutually supporting each other emotionally, possibly even economically. And you keep yourself sane.

Earlier you mentioned psychiatry’s merger with Big Pharma. Can you say more about that?

The merger continues between psychiatry and big pharmaceutical: Big Pharma contributes money to their journals; they contribute money to the continuing education of psychiatrists.

There was a story recently in the Boston Globe about how Big Pharma—not just psychiatric drug companies, but all pharmaceutical companies—was contributing a significant amount of money to Harvard Medical School. If you go around medical schools, these drug rep people are hovering around mailboxes there. Now, if you were in marketing and sales, you would ask: Who do we want to feel great about us and our product? You want the general public, but you definitely want all these doctors to feel really great about you. You’re going to do everything you can possibly get away with legally—and sometimes they do things that are actually illegal.

They’re very aggressive. Every once in a while they go over the top, like Prozac maker Eli Lilly did in Florida, where they actually mailed out free samples of their products, including to one 16-year-old boy who had never been on any kind of a drug or antidepressant.

All of that said, I think it would be a mistake for folks to view pharmaceutical companies as being any different from any other companies. They’re all boringly the same: Their goal is to do whatever they can to increase market share, and make money. Right now, Big Pharma is contributing about 80% to Republicans and about 20% to Democrats—they’re just sort of covering their bets. They’re basically seeking control over government agencies that are critical of their goals, like the FDA or the National Institute of Mental Health.

For example, the Bush family has a long connection to one drug company in particular, Eli Lilly, but they’re actually connected to a lot of drug companies. Down there in Texas, they started this program for mental health screening, and you’re going to hear more and more about that as a national issue.

It’s schools screening for mental illness the same way they do for vision or hearing, right?

Yeah. Once you buy the idea that mental illness is an illness like any other, then it makes a certain sense—it’s just like a kid with bad eyesight who can’t see the blackboard, or a kid with bad hearing. The next step is, why don’t we have this in all the schools? At a very early age, we could get that ADD or ODD or depressive kid, before it gets out of hand. For a lot of the general public, that sounds reasonable, because they don’t know that unlike problems with vision or hearing, which are very reliably scientifically diagnosed, these things are very subjective—and they lead to treatments that are ineffective and dangerous.

Of course, the pharmaceutical companies are throwing money at mental health screening. This would be a dream come true for them, if everybody was being screened for it, because the more you’re getting screened for it, the more folks are getting diagnosed with diseases, and they’re going to be put on drugs. So it’s more money for Big Pharma. They want the whole world to get screened. And if the world gets crazier, there are going to be more and more people with problematic behaviors. There will be more and more depressed kids, kids who aren’t paying attention, et cetera, and that’s a larger and larger consumer base for Big Pharma.

You’ve written about some World Health Organization findings comparing the treatment and prognoses for recovery in so-called underdeveloped nations to those in the US and other “first world” countries.

Yes, this is a hugely important story. In two different studies, the WHO decided to take a look at psychoses and recovery rates in “underdeveloped” societies—India, Colombia, and Nigeria were three of the countries classified as underdeveloped—and compared them to “developed” societies. What they discovered was that the recovery rates in “underdeveloped” countries were twice as high as in the US.

The obvious areas of speculation for me are in the two big differences between the countries studied. One: They’re not drugging everybody there on a long-term basis. In the US, when somebody is classified with a psychosis like schizophrenia, for example, that’s considered an incurable disease. You have to be on medication for life. At least, that’s more or less the party line of the American Psychiatric Association. And that’s not true in the other countries the WHO studied.

But the other huge factor that seems obvious to me is that in those other societies, there’s much more direct community support, and there’s more family involvement. One person from Colombia was telling me this story about a relative who “flipped out.” When this relative came out of the hospital, instead of going back to their family, with whom they had flipped out, they went to another relative’s home.

For organizations like the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, that solution would be heresy, because a lot of what they’re all about is: It’s not the family’s or parents’ fault. And that helps them team with the drug companies. They’d have you believe it’s all a biochemical imbalance.

You’ve also written about “psychiatric survivors.” What does that term mean?

“Psychiatric survivors” is a term used by a lot of people who have received psychiatric treatment—especially drug and electroshock treatment, [that was] often forced upon them—who are angry about it, and who want to inform the public about the dangers of such treatment. One of their major organizations is called Support Coalition International, which is an umbrella group of perhaps 100 smaller organizations. They have their own journal called MindFreedom.

So is the logical endpoint of your positions that society is bad for people’s mental health?

Our current atomized society is definitely bad for quite a lot of people. There are many pro-depression, and pro-psychosis aspects of our culture, but the breakdown of extended families and the relative lack of community are probably the two greatest factors.

What are you working on now?

With a lot of talks I gave about Commonsense Rebellion, I felt myself needing to cheerlead more than to inform. So over the last year or two I’ve been working on a book about depression. And the specific components of how you can get your act together: generally, issues of how you build up morale and heal your wounds so you don’t engage in compulsive behaviors. That’s what I’ve been doing: trying to give an alternative to depressed and anti-authoritarian people who don’t believe in the mumbo-jumbo of psychiatry, but who also realize that [psychology’s] cognitive-behavior therapy is a generally weak alternative.

What are the solutions? You’ve talked about people increasing their participation in “real” community, but what does that look like?

Part of what you’re trying to do, on as many levels as possible, is reconnect yourself to yourself and to life around you. That’s what mass industrial society has disintegrated. It’s hugely important for folks to recognize that there’s some degree of autonomy that they need to have in their lives, some kind of control.

I think a lot of what gets people really down are economics. The jobs that they work. The struggle to make money in this culture—let’s face it, most of American society is working meaningless, crap jobs. I think part of what people have to do is forgive themselves for being in jobs that are meaningless, and not making much money, and think slowly about how they can move towards finding some meaning, finding some community, and doing something they really care about. As they move into that process, they might be surprised that, along with some other folks, they might be able to make enough money to survive. Then you’ve really beaten the system. Not many pull it off, but it’s something to aspire to.